crius aio pro v2 + multi wii 2.1

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Zdravo!

Imam zgoraj omenjeno kartico in nekaj tezav z natavitvami!
Zanimajo me PID nastavitve? QuadX je prevec nemiren z privzetimi...
Koliko Slo modelarjev ima tako kartico??

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Znižaj jih pa testiraj. Multiwii je multiwii.

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Znižaj jih pa testiraj. Multiwii je multiwii.

Točno to. Imam AIO Pro v1.1, tvoja ima samo še možnost logiranja. Vsak quad je drugačen. Pusti privzete vrednosti in probaj. V config.h fileju omogoču še LOW PASS FILTER za MPU6050 in to je LPF_42_Hz pa bo občutno bolje. Samo potem moraš PID-e malo dvignit.

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Ja sem najprej nastavil offset "death band" ročic na 30 ,ker privzeto je 0,se pravi, ko sem položil prste na krmilne ročice, je quad ze spreminjal vrednosti!
Sem gledal tudi nastavitve filtrov,vendar si nisem upal sprminjati...
Ja vem, da si niso podobni,venar isti quad je z KK2 letel brez problema,sploh za koliko naj nižam ali višam PID,da ne bo katastrofe??

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Po 0,1 ali 0,2 pa testiraj. Pa dualrate si naštimaj

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Ja sem najprej nastavil offset "death band" ročic na 30 ,ker privzeto je 0,se pravi, ko sem položil prste na krmilne ročice, je quad ze spreminjal vrednosti!
Sem gledal tudi nastavitve filtrov,vendar si nisem upal sprminjati...
Ja vem, da si niso podobni,venar isti quad je z KK2 letel brez problema,sploh za koliko naj nižam ali višam PID,da ne bo katastrofe??

Deadband 30 je veliko preveč. Jst mam Turnigy 9X, ki nikoli ne centrira ročic 100% nazaj na sredino. Imam pa nastavljen deadband na 6 in je odlično. Katero komando imaš?

Drugače pa če boš dal LPF na 42Hz potem lahko daš PID-e iz originalnih kar za celo ali dve vrednosti višje. Jay imam na 8 roll in pitch plus yaw imam na 10 kar se tiče P gaina. I na roll/pitch imam na 0.66 D pa 78. Quad ima med motorji 40cm.

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Tudi jaz imam Turnigy 9x in ohišje 525 iz HKhttp://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/stor ... 600mm.html, motorji so 2830/11(turnigy) ter plush 30A regulatorji.
Do sedaj mi ni uspelo,da bi model letel vsaj pribljižno tako kot z KK2....Kartica AIO pro je sigurno boljša,vendar Multiwii 2.1???? Morda ga jaz "biksam",toda takšen "baubav" pa tudi ni?!?!
Sem naredil tudi preizkus na mizi-samo kartica ter sprejemnik.Ko jo "ARM" in dam plin na (1600) se tudi vsi motorji zavrtijo na 1600 ,vendar ga nagnem naprej ali levo- desno
, motorji ne pridejo več v sredino,ampak vsak po svoje ,ko bi morali biti vsi enako(kartica leži popolnoma ravno in na miru)Priložil bom sliko simulacije,ker več pove kot jaz opišem z besedami...
Moti me da mi nek p...n algoritem krmili motorje po svoje ,ko bi morali biti poravnani..

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Tudi jaz imam Turnigy 9x in ohišje 525 iz HKhttp://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/stor ... 600mm.html, motorji so 2830/11(turnigy) ter plush 30A regulatorji.
Do sedaj mi ni uspelo,da bi model letel vsaj pribljižno tako kot z KK2....Kartica AIO pro je sigurno boljša,vendar Multiwii 2.1???? Morda ga jaz "biksam",toda takšen "baubav" pa tudi ni?!?!
Sem naredil tudi preizkus na mizi-samo kartica ter sprejemnik.Ko jo "ARM" in dam plin na (1600) se tudi vsi motorji zavrtijo na 1600 ,vendar ga nagnem naprej ali levo- desno
, motorji ne pridejo več v sredino,ampak vsak po svoje ,ko bi morali biti vsi enako(kartica leži popolnoma ravno in na miru)Priložil bom sliko simulacije,ker več pove kot jaz opišem z besedami...
Moti me da mi nek p...n algoritem krmili motorje po svoje ,ko bi morali biti poravnani..

Pozabi v2.1 MWII. Daj gor pre2.2. - http://code.google.com/p/multiwii/downl ... p&can=2&q= ali pa počakaj še kakšen teden pa boš dal gor v2.2. stable.

P.....n algoritem je I parameter. Boš mogu kr letet pa sproti štelat, da bo letel lepo. Jaz sem svojga v 10 poskusih nastavil na max lepo letenje v ACRO mode-u. Z KK2.0 ni niti približno tok lepo letel, ker nima D parametra v FW-ju. To je moje mnenje.

Jaz imam takole nastavljeno:

http://shrani.si/f/1K/X/3eC1eCfB/mwii.tiff

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A je tolk bolš 2.2 de se splača dat gor glede na 2.1 ?

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SCRAT- bom poskusil tvoje parametre ,da vidim kako bo šlo ,sicer pa HVALA za pomoč,ker sem že skoraj obupal z AIO......

[demag]

Zdravo!

Končno mi je uspelo nastaviti parametre,da quad lepo leti..Sicer kakšnih hudih akrobacij ne izvajam,ker mi je bolj pomemben miren let za snemanje.Dobra osnova za nastavitve so bili parametri SCRAt-ta,vendar ,kot je že bilo
omenjeno-vsak je drugačen!!Najbrž,tudi vsak modelar ima drugačne zahteve za svoje letalo,kot sem že dejal, meni je pomemben miren let,da se lahko posvetim snemanju....
Seveda je še nekaj malenkosti,ki jih moram"doterati",recimo ,ko imam prikljopljen bluetooth,se obnaša drugače,kot brez...
Dodal ,bi še tole,da moramo biti pazljivi pri spreminjanju parametrov-meni se je zgodilo,da je poskakoval ,kot čarobna žogica-pač poskusil sem kateri od parametrov ima največji vpliv ter" P" kar občutno dvignil!
HVALA za pomoč in Lep Pozdrav!

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Odlično. Če rabiš še kaj vprašaj. Bo pa kmalu prišla MWii v2.2 stable in potem daj tisto gor pa si zmagal.

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No zdaj je prišla V2.2 pa ne znam nastaviti "LEVEL",ker ga sedaj sploh ni!?!Prej je za samodejno poravnavo gorela oranž LED,sedaj pa nič....
Kako imate nastavjeno ostali uporabniki AIO Pro?

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No zdaj je prišla V2.2 pa ne znam nastaviti "LEVEL",ker ga sedaj sploh ni!?!Prej je za samodejno poravnavo gorela oranž LED,sedaj pa nič....
Kako imate nastavjeno ostali uporabniki AIO Pro?

Nisem še dal gor. Ampak z 2.2 ne morš uporabljat multiwii win gui-a. Moraš uporabljati Multiwii gui, ki je poleg. LEVEL je ANGLE. Mislim pa, da so ga nižje prestavili. Sigurno je notr. Dj sliko gui-a.

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Ja tako kot si napisal SCRAT,"LEVEL" je sedaj "ANGLE".Moral bi prebrati "navodila -"spremembe",ne pa takoj na forum jokat... Tukaj lepo piše :"ANGLE mode
The position of the stick indicates the angle at which the copter tries to maintain. Sticks off = level. Full sticks in any direction and it will tilt at around 50 degrees. It's proportional in-between.
It maintains the angle set by the stick. Let go of sticks and it returns to level"
No zakaj ne sveti oranžna LED,še nisem ugotovil-se trudim...Moram povedati ,da je letenje čudovito,pa sploh nisem spreminjal parametrov,kaj so toliko spremenili v kodi ???
Morda v V2.3 sploh ne bo potrebno krmiliti,le pomisliti kaj hočeš posnet in quad bo odletel tja...

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Sj že sedaj lahko zadevo upravljaš preko Androida in bluetootha. Recimo follow me, če kaj snemaš pa samo hodiš on pa za tabo

Waypointi pa pridejo najverjetneje v 2.3. Ampak sedaj že nekaj sanjajo o tem, da bi nova verzija vsake 3 mesece vn prišla, seveda stable release.

Kar se tiče LED, meni svetita konstantno zelena pa rdeča. Ko je arman pa tudi zelena pa rdeča. Oranžna pa na začetku utripa, ko še nima gps fix-a potem pa do 4 satelite ne gori, ko jih ima 5 utripne 1x, 6 - 2x, 7 - 3x itd...

Imaš GPS? Si nastavil takole:

#define GPS_SERIAL 2

#define GPS_BAUD 115200

jaz imam ublox torej sem odkometiral: #define UBLOX

#define MAG_DECLINIATION 3.03f je za Lj ti moraš nastaviti za svoj kraj.

tole sem zakometiral, ker meni ne deluje preveč ok: //#define GPS_LEAD_FILTER

tole je pa sedaj po defaultu zakomentirano: //#define GPS_FILTERING

No to je za gps vse.

Preveriš cifro koliko stopinj in minut in sekund je tvoj kraj: http://magnetic-declination.com/

Potem pa še pretvoriš: http://www.satsig.net/degrees-minutes-s ... ulator.htm

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A je tolk bolš 2.2 de se splača dat gor glede na 2.1 ?

Sorry sploh nism vidu tvojga posta. Jaz pravim, da se splača. Evo tole so spremembe:

main changes since the last release 2.1


***documentation***

===============================================================
Documentation for releases should be in the official wiki at
http://www.multiwii.com/wiki

stable and development versions can be found here:
http://code.google.com/p/multiwii/downloads/list
For development versions you are on your own - good luck.
Don't try any development version if you don't follow dev evolution.
Don't forget a multirotor is something that can be dangerous.

For discussion and questions the official forum is at
http://www.multiwii.com/forum

Evolution of the code can be followed here:
http://code.google.com/p/multiwii/source/list

MultiWii is not a product, nor a plug and play solution.
It is basically an open source project.
Don't expect to buy a compatible board and run it without a minimum knowledge.



***Control mode***

- introduction of HORIZON MODE.
We have now 3 modes:

ACRO mode.
This is the default one when none of the ANGLE & HORIZON BOX is activated.
The copter will continue rotating in the direction in which you tilt sticks. When you let go of sticks it will maintain that angle and not return to level

ANGLE mode
The position of the stick indicates the angle at which the copter tries to maintain. Sticks off = level. Full sticks in any direction and it will tilt at around 50 degrees. It's proportional in-between.
It maintains the angle set by the stick. Let go of sticks and it returns to level

HORIZON mode <- new
It's a proportional mix of the two. Sticks off = level. Full deflection = ACRO. In between it gradually mixes from LEVEL mode to ACRO.
It's a fine mix to be able to do some ACRO with the safety of ANGLE mode when you release the sticks.
It allows also a more natural way of flying as the multi seems less constrained.


- failsafe code is more strict. (thanks to MIS)
If activated, it takes into account all the main channels and it's important to stay strictly inside the [1000-2000] range.
For instance a throttle of 995 will activate the failsafe
failsafe is optional and can be activated via #define FAILSAFE

- Acrotrainer mode introduced by PatrikE
a kind of non proportional horizon mode
more info here: http://www.multiwii.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=1944

- SERVO_TILT_MIX
introduced by Bledi and Gary
http://youtu.be/zKGr6iR54vM
corrected after to support†optionally†up to 2 AUX channels†superposition†to control the gimbal

- CAM STAB: (thanks to Gary and suggested or Arne)
Ability to define Cam Stab control channels used
Ability to turn off
Fix for AUX3 + 4 affecting tilt/roll with camstab enabled



***add-ons***

- pilotlamp integration (thanks to mr.rc-cam, jevermeister, doughboy )
via #define PILOTLAMP
http://code.google.com/p/multiwii/wiki/ ... _Pilotlamp

- LEDRING pattern was refined thanks to shikra
instructions here: http://code.google.com/p/multiwii/sourc ... README.txt

- variometer introduced by Hamburger
enable to get audio feedback upon rising/falling copter/plane
via #define VARIOMETER



***receiver & UART***

- option to use throttle PIN as the PPM PIN on mega boards thanks to MIS
this way you can use the UART 1 for other purpose
via #define PPM_ON_THROTTLE

- every UART port on MEGA boards can be used at the same time with different baud configuration.
ie, you can connect up to 4 GUI or OSD or anything using MSP simultaneously

- the second UART port on promicro boards can be used at the same time with different baud configuration.

- spektrum (thanks to Danal)
- spektrum satellite up to 12 channels, even if only 8 are usable in multiwii
- spektrum satellite BIND button, to associate a satellite without the main receiver



***PIN mapping***

- possibility to override some PIN definition in config.h (thanks to Hamburger)



***GPS***

- UBLOX GPS: the baud configuration is autodetected and the UBLOX binary protocol is automaticly set (thanks to MIS & EOSBandi)

- MKT GPS can now be parsed in binary mode is possible thanks to EOSBandi
made for DIYDrones MTK firmware v1.6 and v1.9

- I2C GPS:
correct directionToHome (change it to the opposite direction)
there is still a problem remaining when your distance to home reaches 654m: it overflows.
a I2C code evolution is needed to correct this problem

- a forward predictive filter was ported from the Arducopter code by EOSBandi
optional and by default activated: #define GPS_LEAD_FILTER

- first implementation of MSP_SET_WP
with the help of Ezio app (EZ-GUI), we can now control the multi with a smartphone: set a new position on a map / follow me / follow heading
see Multiwii EZ-GUI specific topic: http://www.multiwii.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2034
some video about this functionality:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpoPanmVa9Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPj6WZex8j0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPICiiaDTnc

- AP_MODE introduced by PatrikE
used in GPS POS HOLD mode, outside the specified stick range the POS HOLD position is renew



***multiwii models***

- HELICOPTER and PLANE models was refined thanks to PatrickE and Hamburger
multiple helicopter type HELI_120_CCPM , HELI_90_DEG
servo configuration for plane, FLAP, FLAPPERON

- HEXH6 multicopter type added (thanks to shikra)

- Bi-Copter pitch direction setting

- USE_THROTTLESERVO (for airplanes), COLLECTIVE_RANGE changed (second value not offset anymore)



***GUI & OSD & LCD***

- a RECONNECT button was added by PatrickE
a file is now generated to indicate the last COM&Serial speed. The serial speed can be edited in this file to change the UART speed of GUI.

- New MultiWiiConf GUI v2.2 with graphical improvements (thanks to Magnetron and doughboy)
cool things like virtual horizon

- optional 3 independent configurations, stick selectable settings in EEPROM (thanks to MIS)
can be activated via #define MULTIPLE_CONFIGURATION_PROFILES

- a RESET button was added in the GUI
if you encounter any EEPROM problem or if you want to restore the default values



***LCD***

- on mega boards, it's possible to define the LCD port for LCD supporting true UART.

- more parameters are tunable via LCD conf, all the one in config.h with a small (*) besides, thanks to Hamburger
those parameters will be moved in the GUI later in another step, once we find the good way to do it.
example: failsave.throttle , vbat tunable params , powermeter tunable params

- many telemetry and LCD config enhancements (thanks to hamburger)
telemetry page 3: use long boxnames
telemetry page 2: show numerical values for sensor data next to bar graphs
no user interaction necessary to run telemetry info upon start up
set individual board name string (currently used for display; no GUI representation yet)

- LCDconfig menu: with THROTTLE=High, increment is 10 times of normal

- servos are moved to neutral position during calibration and lcd.configuration



***OSD***

- RSSI PIN added for OSD use (thanks to Kataventos)
the RSSI output can be retrieved via a MSP message for OSD

- OSD BOX added for OSD activation (thanks to Itai)

- huge work made on an open source code OSD fully compatible with MultiWii (thanks to the team lead by Kataventos)
http://www.multiwii.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2918
http://code.google.com/p/rush-osd-development/



***IMU and baro***

- gyro calibration could be held until the MWC stops moving
introduced by MIS, and made optional after via a specific define:†#define GYROCALIBRATIONFAILSAFE

- mag gain calibration is improved thanks to EOSBandi
based on Fabio FreeIMU code. We won't forget you Fabio...

- perfect euler angle computation in case of 9DOF (better heading)
no more gimbal lock in GUI representation with a 9DOF sensor

- force sensors orientation to override board specific defaults
optional in config.h

- default ACC LPF factor reduced from 16 (2^4), and is share with ACC LPF for alt hold

- gyro/acc complementary filter value increased from 400 to 600

- gyro/mag complementary filter now set to 250 instead of 200

- gyro scale factor changed from 2380 to 2279

- accelerometer now used below 1.15G and above 0.85G instead of previous 1.4G/0.6G settings

- option: SENSORS_TILT_45DEG_LEFT/RIGHT to change X/P configuration without changing board orientation

- ALT HOLD is greatly improved thanks to the code of Mahowik, a little bit optimized since
improved baro hold (PID) algorithm that includes the accelerometer z-axis
its a real major improvement for multiwii
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3htaJ53Z7E

- baro calibration and calculation is improved thanks to Sebbi
baro indicates now altitude 0 when it is powered. This is the reference altitude.

- calculation of barometric altitude changed to include temperature, faster update rate

- new FC boards: SIRIUSGPS, SIRIUS_AIR, SIRIUS_AIR_GPS, MICROWII, GY_521, MultiWiiMega, DESQUARED6DOFV2GO, DESQUARED6DOFV4, LADYBIRD, MEGAWAP_V2_STD, MEGAWAP_V2_ADV, HK_MultiWii_SE_V2, HK_MultiWii_328P, RCNet_FC, FLYDU_ULTRA



***internal improvements***

- some default PID were changed for optimization speed in PID copmputation.
The default PID should behave exactly as the previous ones.
To restore your old PID settings, just a proportion is needed.

- 5 hardware PWM servos avaliable with Mega boards on pins 44,45,46,11,12 (thanks to MIS)

- EEPROM settings secured by checksum (thanks to MIS)

- optional permanent logging to eeprom
setting: LOG_PERMANENT

- change LED blink frequency for acc-uncalibrated or tilt>25 from 50ms to 10ms

- rework of task scheduler code thanks to ideas from Sebbi
we have now a better computation time repartition

- optional fixate cycle time (by burning cpu time away)

- allow override of motor/servo mixing from config.h - no need to edit Output.ino
experimental

- faster cycle time than with v2.1

- many many hidden optimizations in the code

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uf bomo probal

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Zdravo !

GPS še nimam,mislim pa nabaviti tega:http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/stor ... odule.html.Mislim da bi moral delati...vendar je potrebno spremeniti na 115400b/s ,nimam pa "usb to FDTI".
Ko nabavim ,se poigram še z GPS -jem (no ga niti ne pogrešam).

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Ne kupuj tega iz hobbykinga. Kupi tega iz rctimer: http://www.rctimer.com/index.php?gOo=go ... oductname=
ker ta deluje tako kot je treba pa še samo priklopiš ga na platko in ti ga multiwii sam skonfigurira. Seveda samo omogočiš nastavitve, ki sem ti jih že napisal v enem od prejšnjih postov. Malo preberi multiwii forum in boš videl, da je tale iz rctimer boljši.

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No glede GPS ,glede na ceno je potem bolje da kupim pri RC-ni velike razlike,sploh, če dela kot je treba...
Vendar v verziji 2.2 sem naletel na težave,ko quad zaoscilira nato pa motorji ugasnejo.Zgodilo se je 2krat,prvič na nizki višini ,vendar kar močan sunek vetra je spravil letalce na tla-brez poškodb.Drugič pa na višini cca 12m ,pri spučanju(mogoče malenkost vetra),zanihal,kot bi ga hotel nagniti levo-desno zelo hitro,potem pa izklopil motorje.Sreča da je padel v grmovje-le akumulator je malo n...l,ker je padel na kamen,vendar brez hude škode!Sedaj me je malo strah,ker ne vem vzroka za tako dogajanje???

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No glede GPS ,glede na ceno je potem bolje da kupim pri RC-ni velike razlike,sploh, če dela kot je treba...
Vendar v verziji 2.2 sem naletel na težave,ko quad zaoscilira nato pa motorji ugasnejo.Zgodilo se je 2krat,prvič na nizki višini ,vendar kar močan sunek vetra je spravil letalce na tla-brez poškodb.Drugič pa na višini cca 12m ,pri spučanju(mogoče malenkost vetra),zanihal,kot bi ga hotel nagniti levo-desno zelo hitro,potem pa izklopil motorje.Sreča da je padel v grmovje-le akumulator je malo n...l,ker je padel na kamen,vendar brez hude škode!Sedaj me je malo strah,ker ne vem vzroka za tako dogajanje???

Ja probaj malo znižati PID-e pa boš videl.

p.s. MultiWii WIN GUI je sedaj kompatibilen z verzijo 2.2

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Zdravo!
Ali mi lahko malo bolj podrobno opišeš kako si priključil in konfiguriral "GPS Ublox Neo 6M V2" modul ,ker moj je default 9600!
Ali obstaja kakšna navodila?
Imam ublox center ter usb fdti toda v"ublox centru" ne moreš spreminjati vrednosti ,baud ter refresh, brez nastavitvene datoteke?? ali se motim?

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Zdravo!
Ali mi lahko malo bolj podrobno opišeš kako si priključil in konfiguriral "GPS Ublox Neo 6M V2" modul ,ker moj je default 9600!
Ali obstaja kakšna navodila?
Imam ublox center ter usb fdti toda v"ublox centru" ne moreš spreminjati vrednosti ,baud ter refresh, brez nastavitvene datoteke?? ali se motim?

Če boš dal na plato MultiWii v2.2 potem ti ni treba nič nastavljati v ublox centru, ker ti mwii koda sama vsakič nastavi potrebne parametre.

Samo definiraj pravilno v config.h:

#define GPS serial 2
#define speed 115200

#define UBLOX

#define MAG_DECLINIATION 0.0f <-- tukaj vpiši tvoje podatke. Jst mam za svoj kraj 3.03f - Lj in okolica

in pa nastaviti moraš še MAG_DECLINIATION za tvoj kraj.

Preveri prvo na: http://magnetic-declination.com/

Potem pa preračunaj: http://www.satsig.net/degrees-minutes-s ... ulator.htm

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Se pravi,samo priklopiš in v def.h nastaviš kar si napisal.Potem AIO sam nastavi vse.....
Jaz pa sem se z ublox zafrkaval z hitrostjo.Zanima me,če te nastavitve ostanejo shranjenje,ali vsakič ko menjaš baterijo,ponovno nastavlja gps?? Na strani rctimer tudi piše "This GPS receiver is the best buy for any uav. But you need to update the firmware. With standard firmware it's no better as a mediatek receiver, but when you update you will have rock solid GPS at all times with accuracy unmatched. Firmware change is easy. Download U-center from ublox site Google 3dr-ublox.txt Program it in the GPS receiver with usb<-->serial cable. Done. settings are permanently saved in EEPROM. You can also change all parameters manually but that's not recommended for inexperienced users""
Kaj je sedaj z tisto "3dr-ublox.txt" datoteko?Jo rabim ,ali ne?